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Eoghan Mag
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 Posted - 10/03/2010 : 12:10:58
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Centurion just because you were force fed Irish it does not mean that the rest of us were force fed it. Anyway if you want to apply your logic every single thing we learned in school was force fed to us! I didn't want to learn Maths but I had to. A language is a lot more that merely a communication device, it stores many of the virtues, learnings and customs of a people in its many layered context. At this point in time if you had good Irish and even half a qualification you could walk into a job in secondary school as from what I have learned they are crying out for more Irish teachers. Some of us have no ambitions to cross oceans or conduct business with foreign people so foreign langauges are of little benefit to us except in terms of learning about diversity. Someday when you have time look up the entire speech that Dev made, from a different generation. It was in the context that up to that point Ireland never had the freedom to do simple things like hold dances at cross roads. Anyway in modern term Oxygen or even the forth coming Athlone Music festival is a dance held at a cross-roads. (Although its more like roundabouts nowadays. ) The fact that two of my relatives were hedge school teachers generations back means I would not like to see my children or my children's children (if they have any) eductated in other countries. We should have pride in ourselves,our language, our customs and our own ways of learning. |
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jeff the yank
Ireland
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Posted - 10/03/2010 : 12:34:04
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| I have to jump in here just to point out that almost all the IT jobs I'm seeing posted these days are for German, Dutch, French and Spanish speaking people. |
“The test of our progress is not whether we add to the abundance of those who have much. It is whether we provide enough to those who have little.” - Franklin Delano Roosevelt |
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Eoghan Mag
Ireland
170 Posts |
Posted - 10/03/2010 : 12:42:54
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jeff the yank
Ireland
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Posted - 10/03/2010 : 12:55:21
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| Information Technology, computers and such (what I do). Hold on to the past and embrace the future. I'm just saying that holding on to the Irish heritage through culture and language is a noble and worthy undertaking but the jobs that the country needs are in the languages of countries that will provide Ireland jobs in the future. So really your both right. Ireland needs to maintain its own language if only to keep something that is fundamentally Irish and not English/American. As I understand it, if a child learns a second language early enough (Irish in this case) learning a third is much easier. That in and of itself is a good enough reason to teach Irish in schools. That said, a foreign language such as Mandarin or German will be a lot more important to kids growing up today because their jobs either here or abroad will depend on it in the future. |
“The test of our progress is not whether we add to the abundance of those who have much. It is whether we provide enough to those who have little.” - Franklin Delano Roosevelt |
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Rothair
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Posted - 10/03/2010 : 13:09:57
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EM: I did six subjects for my LC and EM I'm going to itemise how and why all the subjects ('cept one) have been of benefit me after I sat in a hot study hall in a summer of the mid-70s writing like a trooper - for bloomin' what.....?
Maths: am "reasonably" good at maths; still.
English: I write and I use the language.
Spanish: I did at third level subsequently and have been in Spain, useful.
Bus Org: not having done pre-Inter I did it. After leaving school I twice bought shares and always made a profit thanks to my business organisation.
Geography: I wanted an honour in this but didnt do it in an awful honours paper that year.
Irish: nothing, nowt, NO benefit, I dont see the slightest iota (eff all) anything in having learnt caol le coal and that (awful!) Peg Sayers book, for WHAT?
Peg should have been on the go when Prozac was out, she wouldnt have written that book and Padraig Pearse (another awful book!) should have his photo taken head on, he's always sideways and his interest in young boys questioned...
Why EM is whole Irish thing done so BAD - think of that Carslberg advert where the guy is asked in the foreign disco to talk Irish.........(Is maith liom Grainne Seioge and the "caca milis"..............) that's typical and the money thrown at it and we still cant speak the language and a "mafia" of gaelgeoirs in the Dept of Education. That's whats of concern, why is it still being done wrong. |
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Eoghan Mag
Ireland
170 Posts |
Posted - 10/03/2010 : 13:12:10
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| Jeff I disagee in the fundamental view that Irish jobs need to be created due to outside forces, elements or languages. If the Government here gave more attention and more publicity to the opening of local owned business instead of only showing up to cut the ribbon when foreign firms open here this country would be a lot better off. The problems in this county still stem from the fact that not enough support is given to local enterprise. I'm not saying we should not have foreign relations or good businesses be kept off the island but at this point and for over 20 years the balance is swinging too much in favour of foreign business. For example if I want to go into a shop here in Athlone and purchase signs in Irish, books in Irish, CD's in Irish and Irish made Arts and crafts there is no central shop for me to do so. This type of shop could also link into the tourist trade so that tourists become aware that its not just in the West of Ireland that the Irish language and Irish crafts are alive and well. |
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Edited by - Eoghan Mag on 10/03/2010 13:12:45 |
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Eoghan Mag
Ireland
170 Posts |
Posted - 10/03/2010 : 13:38:28
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Rothair just because you can't speak Irish doesn't mean that others can't. I never saw a need for Geography because I don't really like to travel! I use Irish, both written and spoken every day of the week. For the record I'm not a teacher. I'm just your ordinary everyday person. Irish isn't gone bad because when I was young there was no Gaelscoil in Áth Luain but there is now. This Gaelscoil was not set up by the Government but by the people of this great town who had to lobby and fight for the right for their children to get at least a primary Education through Irish. Currently once these children step into Secondary school in this town they are denied the right to get their schooling through Irish as no school as far as I am aware provides this service. This is gross negligence by the schools. Currently the Government is denying the Gaelscoil movement the right to set up more schools. This shows there is a great desire out there for Irish. There is what I would describe as a 'lost generation' who will never relate to the Irish language and I think they are all the poorer as a result. I fear some of this is due to over Anglization over the ages.
For the record I liked the Peig Sayers book plus the one her son wrote (Fiche Bliain a'fás) which I read before I came across Peig. I'd love to hear the tapes that are in the Folklore archive of Peig Sayers actually speaking and telling stories.
Oh and Rothair if you think Irish is so 'Zilch' why use an Irish word as your user name on this forum?  |
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jeff the yank
Ireland
1149 Posts |
Posted - 10/03/2010 : 15:29:33
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| Well like I said, I think I would like to try my hand at learning Irish but Im rubbish at languages. :) Plus Ive been told Irish is one of the harder ones. |
“The test of our progress is not whether we add to the abundance of those who have much. It is whether we provide enough to those who have little.” - Franklin Delano Roosevelt |
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Ropaire
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Posted - 10/03/2010 : 21:42:51
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| I wonder if the forum organisers were to set up a strictly Irish language thread or whatever would there be enough participation to make it interesting. I'd be interested. |
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Admin
1231 Posts |
Posted - 10/03/2010 : 21:57:03
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| Deanta! |
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Ropaire
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Posted - 11/03/2010 : 01:00:04
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Originally posted by Admin
Deanta!
Go maith, ach cá háit? |
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Admin
1231 Posts |
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extownie
393 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2010 : 16:06:46
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| Is ait an an mhac an t-saol é ! |
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Sleeveen
Afghanistan
1558 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2010 : 17:37:06
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fly
582 Posts |
Posted - 12/03/2010 : 09:56:17
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| In Devs speech "Dancing at Crossroads" was never mentioned! |
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